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- Bristlecone pine frost rings also indicate a date of 1627 BCE, supporting the late 1600s BCE dating.
- :After studying lots of sources about this, I'd suggest most modern, scholarly, reliable, peer-reviewed sources claim they were founded in the 1800s, not the 1600s BCE . Most make the suggestion that they predate the Olympics so I suggest Wikipedia reflects this view, not those of certain Hellenic-biased editors without any sources . talk I'23 : 59, 11 August 2012 ( UTC)